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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:10,784 Points:632,375 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 8:46:43 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse and in the mean time, no one even mentions GM's power steering issues (okay, I just did...)
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:10,784 Points:632,375 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 8:44:40 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse sneakers, isn't it funny... if he's not suing, why have a lawyer in the first place?
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:32,117 Points:1,298,270 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 4:07:19 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse It's interesting that the guy says he's not going to sue, but his lawyer is sure getting a lot of air time!
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:32,117 Points:1,298,270 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 3:11:01 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse Martinman wrote: >Toyota has not been able to "reproduce" the runaway event on a single >vehicle they have tested - it's why they can't figure out what is wrong - >and why the inside industry concensus is that this is an electrical >issue with the ECM (engine control module). Seems that there's a lot of data in the black boxes that's coming out now. Something about 250 actuations of the brake pedal, none of them long enough to trigger the brake override. >Toyota is using the republican tactic of trying to discredit the >individual by attacking their perceived credibility. That's NOT exclusive to Republicans. Democrats do it very well. >It's a cheap tactic that is likely to backfire in Toyota's face. It's not backfiring on the Stock Market. Toyota ADR's are up $1.10 a share. And you've got Government Motors (call 'em like I see 'em) using my tax dollars to offer "Toyota assistance."
rx7racerca All-Star Author Calgary Posts:674 Points:255,525 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 12:14:47 PM Ignore rx7racerca Report Abuse Martinman: or perhaps Toyota has been placed in the awkward position Audi was in the 80's with the 5000 and supposed "unintended acceleration" that in fact was eventually shown to be caused by driver error in pressing the gas instead of the brake, then continuing to squeeze harder on what they thought was the brake when the car surged unexpectedly. Which is to say, if Toyota blames operator error, they get branded the bad guy, just as Audi was, and suffered depressed sales for 15 years. So instead, Toyota has delivered numerous apologies, justified or not, but is still taking a beating in the media. Worth pointing out - Toyota hasn't attacked the credibility of claimants - it's just that the media have actually started being a little more critical of claims - especially ones like the San Diego Prius where the story and actions of the driver don't add up, and past fraud and money problems of the claimant are easily uncovered.
hauler43 Champion Author Oakland Posts:4,829 Points:1,857,380 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 7:46:05 AM Ignore hauler43 Report Abuse What about the other reports of Toyota's speeding up have they been tested?
LocalSpyGuy Champion Author Tampa Posts:2,945 Points:615,320 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 7:34:33 AM Ignore LocalSpyGuy Report Abuse I thought the story sounded a little suspicious when I first heard it.
RdHogg Champion Author Houston Posts:14,987 Points:1,935,130 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 7:21:13 AM Ignore RdHogg Report Abuse Good Morning !!!
bugc Champion Author Boston Posts:10,289 Points:2,104,455 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 7:17:37 AM Ignore bugc Report Abuse Some problems cannot be replicated by testing.
jedintheshed All-Star Author Colorado Springs Posts:949 Points:353,350 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 7:03:51 AM Ignore jedintheshed Report Abuse It is a strange story indeed
DerHahn Champion Author Illinois Posts:8,117 Points:1,149,950 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:59:47 AM Ignore DerHahn Report Abuse just get rid of the drive by wire and put the cable back. it's worked reliably for over a century.
Buck_on_Bass Champion Author Tennessee Posts:2,806 Points:600,855 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:58:33 AM Ignore Buck_on_Bass Report Abuse As one post stated, the plot thickens. Other reports I have seen state the brakes were well worn but did not appear to have been worn from continuous application in this incident. The NHTSA bought the engine controller (computer) and some related hardware from the car owner. There are a number of questions concerning the incident that are not answered yet. Maybe we'll learn more in Toyota's announcement later today.
Beau2140 Champion Author New York Posts:3,360 Points:681,535 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:58:04 AM Ignore Beau2140 Report Abuse Maybe someone is looking for money.
Daddybud Champion Author North Carolina Posts:2,147 Points:442,715 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:54:53 AM Ignore Daddybud Report Abuse Well, well, well.
FuelOilOH Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,115 Points:574,595 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:54:47 AM Ignore FuelOilOH Report Abuse There is a problem but this Prius incident is very strange.
matman01 Champion Author Detroit Posts:9,191 Points:1,015,370 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:51:26 AM Ignore matman01 Report Abuse Maybe they should have let Mr. Sykes drive the thing!
Bou Champion Author Maine Posts:6,380 Points:1,705,615 Joined:Jan 2005	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:51:19 AM Ignore Bou Report Abuse We had a lot of could not duplicate problems with electrical systems while I was in the Naval Aviation, could happen to cars.
mk9999 Champion Author Rochester Posts:2,977 Points:696,220 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:51:09 AM Ignore mk9999 Report Abuse An excuse for a lawsuit?
Zuman Champion Author New York Posts:1,509 Points:965,040 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:50:12 AM Ignore Zuman Report Abuse Toyota's have ghost BOO.
rvn4me Champion Author Texas Posts:1,872 Points:555,410 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:48:55 AM Ignore rvn4me Report Abuse Sounds like the story of the boy in the homemade balloon. Someone wanted some attention.
TeachR06 Champion Author Raleigh Posts:3,535 Points:1,012,760 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:48:43 AM Ignore TeachR06 Report Abuse If toyota was the only one doing the testing I might be skeptical that they would deny the problem but with the independent investigators too, it's hard to figure out.
no_monkey2002 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:3,793 Points:1,125,140 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:45:36 AM Ignore no_monkey2002 Report Abuse anything is possible
TomT2Lee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,470 Points:1,091,790 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:45:12 AM Ignore TomT2Lee Report Abuse Just wait until the Hollywood movie comes out and the last vestiges of truth will be swept away.
gasandgoAL Champion Author Alabama Posts:1,946 Points:613,405 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:43:49 AM Ignore gasandgoAL Report Abuse the whole incident sounded suspicious.
LetItSnow All-Star Author Hartford Posts:646 Points:369,380 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:43:37 AM Ignore LetItSnow Report Abuse When I first heard the report of the runaway Toyota I thought - "hoax". However, I was hoping they might be able to find something with a smoking gun. I don't like that Toyota is so adamant that there is nothing wrong with their electronics. Electronics are so fickle.
arinkrat17 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,497 Points:365,540 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:41:59 AM Ignore arinkrat17 Report Abuse enough about Toyota sick about hearing about them
fltdoc Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:3,480 Points:605,915 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:41:49 AM Ignore fltdoc Report Abuse He may not have made the wisest decision!
ifallsguy Champion Author Minnesota Posts:2,738 Points:758,800 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:41:45 AM Ignore ifallsguy Report Abuse The big question is why his brakes don't show the expected wear
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:18,323 Points:1,369,085 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:40:40 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse It’s an elusive computer bug - gotta’ find it and kill it, fast! Using wireless, electronic computer modules is not like the good physical connection made with a cable or other solid linkage. A cable is NOT affected by a bump in the road!
JCUBE Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,561 Points:950,100 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:40:22 AM Ignore JCUBE Report Abuse They're covering their collective back sides, don't want to give any grounds for a law suit....Yoyota's not to blame.....HA!
Skipper52 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:2,551 Points:632,950 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:39:20 AM Ignore Skipper52 Report Abuse People will do anything to get a law suite and make money.
FieroGT Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:9,502 Points:1,656,320 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:39:11 AM Ignore FieroGT Report Abuse Something intermittent. Not so surprising.
MertieMan Champion Author Lexington Posts:9,837 Points:1,920,260 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:38:51 AM Ignore MertieMan Report Abuse The very reason that they can't replicate it is because it didn't happen legitimately to begin with. This guy is just trying to jump into a lawsuit against Toyota and now he has gotten caught with his pants down, so to speak.
murushi Champion Author Ontario Posts:3,080 Points:604,005 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:37:11 AM Ignore murushi Report Abuse I'll reserve judgment for now. Too much conflicting info...
SpaceCowboy9 Veteran Author Raleigh Posts:260 Points:749,400 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:35:20 AM Ignore SpaceCowboy9 Report Abuse Wouldn't surprise me if this James Sikes guy was either a union thug or on the Owe-bama payroll...
Rick01 Champion Author Utah Posts:4,036 Points:1,414,615 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:34:48 AM Ignore Rick01 Report Abuse Computers have glitches that are very hard to duplicate. This guy might too.
jimraehl Champion Author Utah Posts:2,187 Points:670,615 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:32:45 AM Ignore jimraehl Report Abuse A firmware race condition is very hard to duplicate, but software such as VX Works can detect it.
JimL1 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:3,148 Points:386,670 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:31:40 AM Ignore JimL1 Report Abuse The consensus of opinion seems to be that this joker tried to be a copycat / "jump on the bandwagon" lawsuit, though he lacked the intelligence/knowledge to pull it off.
Lukus Champion Author Halifax Posts:3,504 Points:712,265 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:31:25 AM Ignore Lukus Report Abuse If a computer bug could be replicated easily then they would never make it to market. That is why computer programs go through rigourous testing before they go to market and still some flaws slip through.
REKEY Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,647 Points:730,450 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:30:34 AM Ignore REKEY Report Abuse I wondered how a man could not know to put car in N or cut it off. It has been in papers for weeks. I guess 50 MPH must be his limit and then he freaks out.
fcdriver Champion Author Tennessee Posts:2,859 Points:601,470 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:26:59 AM Ignore fcdriver Report Abuse i bet he ws just truying to get out of a speeding ticket
Cheymike Champion Author Wyoming Posts:1,131 Points:181,275 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:24:33 AM Ignore Cheymike Report Abuse The telling truth in this is that his brakes showed no signs of being applied full strength for a sustained period of time. He could have braked, or simply turned off the key. The guy was looking for publicity and a lawsuit.
epf Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,592 Points:925,035 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:24:19 AM Ignore epf Report Abuse This does not surprise me, hop of the litegation bandwagon.
danny999 Champion Author Florida Posts:3,701 Points:662,860 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:24:00 AM Ignore danny999 Report Abuse some BOZO thought he was going to get rich quick by accusing Toyota OF MAKING A FAULTY CAR.cALIFORNIAN AT THAT.
TheSnowstorm Champion Author Montreal Posts:4,463 Points:1,004,880 Joined:June 2005	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:23:49 AM Ignore TheSnowstorm Report Abuse The plot thickens....
rocket_ron Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,418 Points:1,041,940 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:23:10 AM Ignore rocket_ron Report Abuse Hope they replaced the brakes first! Anyway, they have not been able to duplicate any of the occurrences. Just means that they have not found where the problem is yet. Until they do, each one of their cars are ticking time-bombs, regardless of if they had recall repairs completed.
paneinthegas Rookie Author London Posts:36 Points:376,845 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:22:37 AM Ignore paneinthegas Report Abuse Don't you think that if Toyota could duplicate the problem that they would be able to solve the problem? The problem is intermitant. It doesn't happen to all Toyotas and it doesn't happen every time in the ones that do have the problem. They are not telling us anything we don't already know.
turbosaab Champion Author Cleveland Posts:9,129 Points:1,437,690 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:22:30 AM Ignore turbosaab Report Abuse They can't explain the worn brakes. Even though Toyota can't reproduce the incident, clearly doesn't mean it didn't happen.
billy44bo Champion Author Mobile Posts:3,292 Points:622,105 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:20:53 AM Ignore billy44bo Report Abuse Don1222 hit it right on the mark "Has Toyota been able to duplicate any of the 30 plus incidents? "
BKool Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,025 Points:1,439,170 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 6:19:39 AM Ignore BKool Report Abuse Sikes must be investigated, maybe a Michael Moore plant:)