Chasms

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:20:10 AM
"Another move by environmentalists to restrict gasoline production in the US resulting in higher prices for all of us. If I was running Chevron, I would shut down the refinery (making the environmentalists even happier), lay off all workers at the plant, and stop selling gasoline or diesel in that county."
AMEN, brotha!!
There's only ONE problem! If you did exactly as spelled out above, these SAME 'Environmentalists' would be frantically DIGGING for =something else= to CRY LIKE A BABY about!
I can already 'hear' them complaining that Exxon/Mobil's prices are too high compared to what their brother/sister pays at a "Chevron" station in the county next to them! "Why can't we have CHEVRON stations in my county!?!"
I have a really 'tasty' SUCKER for _every_ "Special Interest Group" in the U. S. that drives =our= prices/taxes continually -HIGHER-!! They can simply F.O.A.D.!! And that =includes= the EX 'Price Is Right' host!!!!!
[Edited by: Chasms at 7/3/2009 1:27:08 AM EST]
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MarMacMal

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St. Louis
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:19:07 AM
And California is broke because....
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grouch311

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:17:52 AM
yeah, the tree huggers are at it again
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cutter1330

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Oklahoma
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:14:30 AM
Sounds like it's halted to me.
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Bruno44

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Texas
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:13:14 AM
So glad I don't live in california, aka taxafornia.
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K1500

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Birmingham
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:12:00 AM
Environmentalists are killing our country! Why are we letting an ignorant minority run our country?!?
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webncrb

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Maryland
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:11:33 AM
Can't blame this on the oil companies.
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john382

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:08:03 AM
well now that is the nicest new we seen to day after 467000 jobs lost. What else can we do.
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Helms

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Fort Worth
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:06:27 AM
don;t know what a judge makes but its probably a heck of a lot mor ethan me so he can afford the high gas price!!!
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CPR54

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Austin
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:04:30 AM
stupid idiots cpr
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greatscot08

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Columbus
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:51:14 PM
More idiotic tree-hugger NIMBYs strike fear into the heart of one more brainless Superior (superior to what?)Court Judge........for crying out loud, Judge Zuniga....the refinery is ONE HUNDRED SEVEN YEARS OLD!!!!!!! ......if the complainers don't like to live near a refinery then they shouldn't have moved near it in the first place CAUSE THEY AS SURE AS HELL AREN'T OLDER THAN THE REFINERY!!!!!!! This is as stupid as people buying a house near an airport then complaining about the noise the airplanes make. However this decision will have a much more drastic influence on our energy costs........Now is NOT the time for STUPID decisions like this........DELAY,DELAY,DELAY.....KA-CHING.....KA-CHING......KA-CHING..... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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sammy09

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:51:09 PM
107 yr old refinery - time for an upgrade
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Saturn93

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Salt Lake City
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:49:12 PM
Another move by environmentalists to restrict gasoline production in the US resulting in higher prices for all of us. If I was running Chevron, I would shut down the refinery (making the environmentalists even happier), lay off all workers at the plant, and stop selling gasoline or diesel in that county.
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bruce725

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:47:49 PM
costs will just be passed on
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Blue_Cruzer

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:40:05 PM
Chevron will just pass on the additional cost to comply to us, the consumers.
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vulcan96

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:38:32 PM
sounds like the judge wants a bigger bribe !
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Don1222

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:36:38 PM
Alternative fuels. Hydrogen fuel cells.
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rxman1

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Toledo
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:36:32 PM
Well if this does not kill this expansion. Cap and Trade will.
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LetemEatCake

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:35:03 PM
TommyTraveler from Cincinnati...
Are we feeling a little bigoted this evening? OH MY! I knew from experience you Yankees were a little strange, but views going back to the turn on the 2oth century? Just 109 year out-of-date! What next Dude...decrying the Woman's vote? or the Emancipation Proclamation? I await!
The issue is the Chevron refinery...can you get back to it?
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GaryG7

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:34:45 PM
NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) strikes again.
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CruisinLinda

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:34:36 PM
No special favors for Chevron. Refineries are especially dirty and pollute the air and the water table. Chevron must be made to turn in a complete environment impact statement. What are they omitting on purpose?
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NavyEOD

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:34:02 PM
Tough blow.
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DarthDadJr

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:30:57 PM
Unfortunately the refining capacity of the US needs to expand to meet present and future demand...where will the new refineries be built? Everyone wants lower prices, but no one wants a refinery near them.
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dl72

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:28:34 PM
That is a step in the right direction, but what is the impact now.
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dannyshouse

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San Francisco
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:23:09 PM
a bad air quality area to live in Richmond with airborne leaks causing health hazards frequently.
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NightDiver

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:22:31 PM
This is BS. This Judge needs to be removed from the bench. Is there something wrong with the environmental impact report that was provide last year when they received the permit? Can't change the rules in the middle of the game!!!
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10k

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:20:27 PM
i did live briefly in the bay area in the early to mid 80's--sure am glad i ran outta loot and had to return to north carolina--where i have run outta loot again...
thanx bush and nobama for my job that i don't have and the bills i can't pay...who the h*** can live offa minimum wage ???...
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acknot

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Seattle
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:15:06 PM
If the oil companies aren't screwing us the friggen tree huggers are. Why do ya think California is broke?
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playtimeCLE

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:13:08 PM
Dont worry about the fact that the price of gas is already outrageous.
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Buddy2264

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:12:56 PM
I would hope after the inspection they might be able to continue. They are not going to build any new ones. The change will be to alternative fuels and power in the near future. Conservation keeps your money in your pocket.
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v240

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:12:51 PM
This makes no sense when we need more domestic refining capacity. Expanding an existing refinery will almost certainly have less environmental impact than building a new one someplace else. Not to mention the fact that we need any jobs that this expansion will create.
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philthethrill

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Hamilton
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:11:49 PM
tough call - i hope it can be sorted out people need jobs and good health
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CruisinLinda

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:10:19 PM
Doesn't any one care to have some environmental standards for refineries. Are they allowed to foul the air and ground water just because they refine oil? Are we that desperate?
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TommyTraveler

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:09:58 PM
Another good reason here that woman belong in the house not in descion making where a mans postion should be.
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ChEPhD

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Pittsburgh
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:08:16 PM
why is the judicial system interfering with this? those environmentalist special interests
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TBONE3

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:08:15 PM
Impeach Barbara!
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ChiKid

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Denver
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:06:58 PM
At some point there is going to have to be more limitations on environments than on companies.
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PioneerUrban

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West Virginia
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:06:50 PM
This is just stupid.
Record number of Americans are out of work. This is project that will help all of us.
Tree huggers, should be forced to pay $100 per gallon.
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CobraLeader

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:06:25 PM
Richmond, VA or CA???
Which one?
If that is a State Court, better get the case into Federal Court PDQ!
or appealed ...
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zornave

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Louisville
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:04:15 PM
Just a reminder; there just may be a Tea Party scheduled near you for the 4th of July. Make yourself seen and heard. Enough is enough.
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rippinusoff

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 11:02:53 PM
tree huggers should pay double...
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CatMan623

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Houston
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:59:16 PM
.....and you wonder why there hasn't been a new refinery since the '70's?
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Jarod13

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:58:27 PM
Environmentalist are winning the war against the conservatives once again! Before too long, we'll be riding horse back to get back in the friendly graces of these environmentalist.
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OilBGone

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:55:42 PM
This refinery is 107 years old? Did it run on gold from local prospectors when it first opened up, or was that just how they invested in this new-fangled technology at the time?
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Ken2OD

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:52:59 PM
More environmentalists gumming up the works. They should be made to pay for their delay tactics.
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taximan007

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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:43:56 PM
And Californians wonder why their gas prices are always much higher than just about anywhere else in the US.
This judge, the enviro-marxists and the shiester lawyers that bring about these kind of lawsuits are just three of the many reasons.
[Edited by: taximan007 at 7/2/2009 11:46:52 PM EST]
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billsandi

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Lexington
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:37:06 PM
Is this the only acceptable solution they could come up with?
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jimshell

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:29:24 PM
With enough of pressure you can get the courts to rule your way.
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dpgas

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New York
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:22:42 PM
A refinery works with just few employees. They should make them away from towns and villages.
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sillywagon

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New York
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:21:57 PM
And we wonder why refinerys are like local monopolies, being required to make "boutique" blends that can be only used in certain areas. If we had more competition in refiners. If it was easier to expand or build a new refinery, there would be competition to keep prices down. I despise NIMBYS. I remember my local water company tried to build a facility in my town and all the NIMBY's came out opposing it. It was able to be built, and there have been no problems, but the lawyers and lawsuits, all costs passed on to the consumer.
[Edited by: sillywagon at 7/2/2009 11:22:50 PM EST]
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jmuse

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Long Island
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:20:10 PM
Why does it always come down to money?
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DosEquis26

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:19:18 PM
what's the big deal?
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