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Big Brother Zeros in on License Plates

WIRED.COM -- The town council in Tiburon, a Marin County community just north of San Francisco, has unanimously voted to install license plate recording cameras in a bid to bring down crime.

So what’s the story? Does the town have an unusually high level of violent crimes? Hardly. From 2001 to 2008, this community of less than 9,000 people saw a total of 47 violent crimes, of which only one was murder. And Marin County is the richest in all of California.

To add to the metropolis suburb Shangri-La image, the town boasts a median household income of over $100,000, a median home value of almost $2 million with a list of residents –past and present– that makes the cast of Oceans Eleven look like a high school musical.

Tiburon officials voted 4-0 — one member was absent — to install six license plate re

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Submitted Nov 20, 2009 By: UncleCurt

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fizbos Champion Author Maine Posts:2,092 Points:1,037,660 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 7:59:01 PM Ignore fizbos Report Abuse More government control!
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:31,998 Points:1,294,270 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:21:09 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse dave364 wrote: >these relates to gas and oil how??? The guideline for postings allow the following topics: "Articles should be on the topics of gas prices, crude oil, clean energy, fuel efficient vehicles or related automotive articles."
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:31,998 Points:1,294,270 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:16:30 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse Don1222 wrote: >Stop violent crime. State Farm has some interesting trivia on their Web site about what vehicles are most frequently stolen. The top ten are either import brand or they're pickup trucks; all the Detroit Three pickup trucks are represented. The least frequently stolen are Buicks. >Buy American made in The United States. Nobody wants to steal American cars.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,800 Points:437,070 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 10:50:26 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse DanMtz from Oakland.... Agree! No telling what it might be used for...and it is overkill with such a high 'crime rate'. Tiburon is not a gated community. Note too that the plate info will be archived for 30 days....wanna bet on that one? [Edited by: LetemEatCake at 11/21/2009 11:51:29 AM EST]
DanMtz Veteran Author Oakland Posts:428 Points:305,995 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 10:26:47 AM Ignore DanMtz Report Abuse Interesting. It seems like that data could be used for all kinds of sneaky, underhanded purposes if it fell into the wrong hands.
chemist74 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:9,841 Points:1,684,535 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 8:42:56 AM Ignore chemist74 Report Abuse If all they are doing is looking at the license plates as they drive by on public streets, they don't seem to be violating anyone's privacy. It does not matter whether it is done by a camera or a policeman sitting in his car and running all of the plates of the cars that drive by.
DerHahn Champion Author Illinois Posts:8,100 Points:1,145,300 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 7:47:18 AM Ignore DerHahn Report Abuse sounds to me like they just want to know who is in the neighborhood and be able to document it in the event something does happen. with only 9,000 people, most of them probably know each other and what they drive already. [Edited by: DerHahn at 11/21/2009 8:47:45 AM EST]
ArmydudeNC Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,185 Points:399,125 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 7:14:09 AM Ignore ArmydudeNC Report Abuse Prime example of the Good Idea Fairy.
granitestater Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:4,086 Points:633,550 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 6:47:59 AM Ignore granitestater Report Abuse They want to try this where they think they can get a fair hearing. Or at least an uncontested trial period. Without getting into too many political issues. Must have been some money passing hands somewhere...
BH24 Champion Author Arkansas Posts:4,930 Points:1,116,675 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 6:39:40 AM Ignore BH24 Report Abuse Not to worry. It is Marin County, and whenever someone gets a ticket as a result of the new devices, the traffic court judge will dismiss charges if the offender "had a difficult childhood", was upset because of family pressures or had been distressed owing to the way that some minor political issue was playing out.
CAR42 Champion Author Ontario Posts:9,158 Points:1,181,305 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 6:05:30 AM Ignore CAR42 Report Abuse The start of the book 1984. BIG BROTHER IN CONTROL !!!! Next looking in the windows !!!!
captngasTN Champion Author Tennessee Posts:1,735 Points:425,240 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:59:03 AM Ignore captngasTN Report Abuse I bet that will bring down the price of gas in the community. What?
Don1222 Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,198 Points:761,105 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:56:18 AM Ignore Don1222 Report Abuse Stop violent crime. Buy American made in The United States.
katmandue Champion Author Detroit Posts:3,140 Points:1,169,705 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:54:19 AM Ignore katmandue Report Abuse I don't see the problem
paoli8 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:2,962 Points:927,685 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:42:53 AM Ignore paoli8 Report Abuse These folks must be planning ahead when crime comes to their area.
Dkrdj5 Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:2,249 Points:335,725 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:35:12 AM Ignore Dkrdj5 Report Abuse With these numbers, buying gas isn't their problem.
fordfan1 Champion Author Indiana Posts:4,174 Points:912,165 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:33:20 AM Ignore fordfan1 Report Abuse This relates to the price at the pump and how does it?
TommyTraveler Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,676 Points:719,005 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:27:47 AM Ignore TommyTraveler Report Abuse We do not need more government control in this country. We American on the virge of bankruptcy because of this. When anarchy comes you want to see the crime rate rise.
naw62 Champion Author Maine Posts:4,540 Points:1,244,795 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:26:55 AM Ignore naw62 Report Abuse PEOPLE PUT ALL KINDS OF STORIES IN HERE
Fitwit Champion Author Stockton Posts:2,072 Points:450,820 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:24:57 AM Ignore Fitwit Report Abuse It sounds like they can afford it and unlike the rest of us who are looking for money to buy the necessities, they are looking for extra ways to spend their money.
dave364 Champion Author Lansing Posts:1,308 Points:532,330 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:22:41 AM Ignore dave364 Report Abuse these relates to gas and oil how???
BigDogOH Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,527 Points:828,390 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:13:34 AM Ignore BigDogOH Report Abuse TOO much Big Brother any more [Edited by: BigDogOH at 11/21/2009 6:16:06 AM EST]
mecforyou All-Star Author Iowa Posts:798 Points:460,625 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:11:16 AM Ignore mecforyou Report Abuse Is this to slow people down?
Paw5X Champion Author Gary Posts:5,699 Points:1,541,145 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:09:23 AM Ignore Paw5X Report Abuse That is really going to bring down the price of fuel!
Petrock Champion Author Lexington Posts:4,403 Points:1,600,480 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:06:03 AM Ignore Petrock Report Abuse Whatever. Hardly a big issue of relevance to gasoline and oil prices.
BM4225 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:5,459 Points:1,174,145 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:02:07 AM Ignore BM4225 Report Abuse They have the money, so why not. By the way, a payment on a 2 million dollar home with 20% down, and an income of 100K does not compute. That's how we got into the financial mess we are in now. Not enough income to make the payments, even at 5% interest.
ifallsguy Champion Author Minnesota Posts:2,718 Points:754,800 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 5:00:39 AM Ignore ifallsguy Report Abuse I have a hunch a smart law student will make his name by taking this one to court. City officals will hopefully post this sign: WELCOME TO THE SOVIET REPUBLIC OF TIBURON where KGB is welcome
Mr.Chips Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,443 Points:1,217,625 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:57:38 AM Ignore Mr.Chips Report Abuse Not relevant to gas price.
Hunter724 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:3,195 Points:667,195 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:54:31 AM Ignore Hunter724 Report Abuse If they have the extra money go for it..
INDY51 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:1,481 Points:335,015 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:47:33 AM Ignore INDY51 Report Abuse TRAFFIC CAMS HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN USE IN MANY CITIES TO HELP IDENTIFY MOTORIST.
harleydoctor Champion Author Kansas Posts:2,480 Points:962,405 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:45:41 AM Ignore harleydoctor Report Abuse Just another reason I love podunk Kansas......
jpk13 Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:3,410 Points:640,180 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:43:28 AM Ignore jpk13 Report Abuse Is this an attempt to keep their community "pure"?
findcheap Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,648 Points:1,030,665 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:40:30 AM Ignore findcheap Report Abuse Tiburon was a town to pass when I was driving along 101 Marin
fratt Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:4,929 Points:1,667,205 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:38:26 AM Ignore fratt Report Abuse INVASION OF PRIVACY!
LCSTEELERBOB Champion Author Gary Posts:1,588 Points:366,895 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:34:05 AM Ignore LCSTEELERBOB Report Abuse money sometimes allows, some people to due dumb things
jimraehl Champion Author Utah Posts:2,167 Points:666,615 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:33:19 AM Ignore jimraehl Report Abuse Too much invasion of privacy.
Doubleeez Champion Author Connecticut Posts:2,732 Points:544,215 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:19:39 AM Ignore Doubleeez Report Abuse Don't knock a town that wants to play it safe.
CPR54 Champion Author Austin Posts:5,554 Points:1,336,550 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:06:35 AM Ignore CPR54 Report Abuse big brother is everywhere
ED6 Champion Author Riverside Posts:5,143 Points:999,635 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:00:57 AM Ignore ED6 Report Abuse Maybe, they're just trying to be safe.
lisamls Sophomore Author Sacramento Posts:121 Points:28,825 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 4:00:38 AM Ignore lisamls Report Abuse snooty
jeepman64 All-Star Author Indiana Posts:909 Points:847,660 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:59:11 AM Ignore jeepman64 Report Abuse Sounds like they want to keep the riff-raff out.
gordonfan05 Champion Author Georgia Posts:1,868 Points:659,960 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:56:59 AM Ignore gordonfan05 Report Abuse If you don't break the law then you won't even notice. The benefits outweigh the negatives.
la90042 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,402 Points:505,405 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:55:29 AM Ignore la90042 Report Abuse too much time and money on their hands - cut taxes and give money back instead of wasting it .
TIGERPAW46 Champion Author Florida Posts:2,776 Points:523,325 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:52:37 AM Ignore TIGERPAW46 Report Abuse Already all over the Streets; Corners and on Traffic lights. Even here in the Red Neck Riviera. Then you have all the Business & home security cameras, Gps tracking in cell phones, cars etc. & satellites that can read your license from space. You thought no one saw you! [Edited by: TIGERPAW46 at 11/21/2009 4:53:24 AM EST]
mdmceuensr Champion Author Arkansas Posts:12,020 Points:735,730 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:51:27 AM Ignore mdmceuensr Report Abuse This affected gas prices how? Did not even see the word "Gas" in this article.
sssowinski Sophomore Author Sacramento Posts:170 Points:38,215 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:45:41 AM Ignore sssowinski Report Abuse silicon valley?
computernut2008 Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,643 Points:397,380 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:35:28 AM Ignore computernut2008 Report Abuse The politicians are talking about that here too
saveongasNC Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,287 Points:721,750 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:34:28 AM Ignore saveongasNC Report Abuse Who cares!
1RedJellyBean Veteran Author Greensboro Posts:452 Points:208,925 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:26:18 AM Ignore 1RedJellyBean Report Abuse Meanwhile, gas prices here have been holding about the same for over 2 weeks now. Have a BLESSED weekend! Psalm 121
CokerNut Champion Author Alabama Posts:1,105 Points:398,800 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 21, 2009 3:25:41 AM Ignore CokerNut Report Abuse Will this work?